Melbourne Heart... Why?

Please tell me why on earth, is their a Melbourne Heart team? It is only going to take away the immense support that the Victory get. This is a real stupid call from the FFA and one that will see an Australian football giant in the Melbourne Victory suffer dearly.

People say derbies are great for the game, but the A-League is only a few years old so we don't want to rush into anything risky too fast. I believe giving Canberra and South Coast the nod should be the best option because Western Sydney isn't a great option either.

By all reports, South Coast need to improve their bid but if they can they and us should be given it.

Melbourne Heart= RIDICULOUS
Western Sydney= DEBATEABLE
South Coast= REASONABLE IF THEY CAN PULL IT TOGETHER
Tasmania= VERY RISKY
Canberra= BID LOOKS GREAT AND QUITE SECURE

Yea I agree with most of that. You can also add that Western Sydney has had a bit of bickering in the background and asking South Coast to be joint is proof of that. Also I think they should just split the games between Parramatta and SFS.

yeah the FFA have a great thing going with MV, they are the poster club for the league and now they've gone and stuffed it up.

and the WS team should play at parramatta no the SFS. unles you were talking about SFC which should do that so as to appeal to the whole of sydney.

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yea i was talking about Sydney FC.

I agree with above comments about Sydney FC playing in Parramatta as well. That is an ideal solution to this expansion talk.

FFA are going to put a dent in the quality of the A-League with having a 2nd Melb team.

I agree the Melbourne Heart bid is stupid.

In football, the biggest stream of revenue by a long, long way is the television rights. In Australia, the two biggest television markets by a long, long way is Melbourne and Sydney.

By having two teams in each city, the league can have a match in both of the two biggest markets in the cuntry every week, rather than every second week. It makes comercial sence. And the FFA know it, which is why they are bending over backwards to get a decent West Sydney bid rather than go with Canberra or anywhere else.

The two next teams will be, almost without doubt, West Sydney and Melbourne Heart. The only way Canberra could possible make it in would be if every West Sydney bid was deemed very, very weak. I dont see it.

MinsterMan wrote:In football, the biggest stream of revenue by a long, long way is the television rights. In Australia, the two biggest television markets by a long, long way is Melbourne and Sydney.

By having two teams in each city, the league can have a match in both of the two biggest markets in the cuntry every week, rather than every second week. It makes comercial sence. And the FFA know it, which is why they are bending over backwards to get a decent West Sydney bid rather than go with Canberra or anywhere else.

The two next teams will be, almost without doubt, West Sydney and Melbourne Heart. The only way Canberra could possible make it in would be if every West Sydney bid was deemed very, very weak. I dont see it.

You are kind of missin the point. The main concern about this is that crowds could flop in MELBOURNE by having two teams. We should look at the option of going to places like Canberra, Wollongong and Tasmania if they can get the bids rolling.

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MinsterMan wrote:In football, the biggest stream of revenue by a long, long way is the television rights. In Australia, the two biggest television markets by a long, long way is Melbourne and Sydney.

By having two teams in each city, the league can have a match in both of the two biggest markets in the cuntry every week, rather than every second week. It makes comercial sence. And the FFA know it, which is why they are bending over backwards to get a decent West Sydney bid rather than go with Canberra or anywhere else.

The two next teams will be, almost without doubt, West Sydney and Melbourne Heart. The only way Canberra could possible make it in would be if every West Sydney bid was deemed very, very weak. I dont see it.

You are kind of missin the point. The main concern about this is that crowds could flop in MELBOURNE by having two teams. We should look at the option of going to places like Canberra, Wollongong and Tasmania if they can get the bids rolling.

I dont have time right now but I'll elaborate later.

But crowds arent a big concearn. In terms of financial security for the league and its clubs maximising television rights its the biggest fish. Sure crowds at victory may drop a little, but the returns will more than make up for it. Advertsisng will be worth more, sponsorship will be worth more, and the big pay day is the money from selling the TV rights.

But there is a concearn, a big one, and it isnt crowds...... its investers. In a league based on franchises investers are the clubs life blood. People who are willing to donate millions and understand they are unlikely to ever see a ruturn. There arent that many getting around. And Melbourne Heart are already canibalising the Victory in this feild, Joe Mirabella and Catalano have already jumped ship from one to the other, and thats a massive hole in the Victory's pocket. One they will miss much, much more than a few fans.

I think the second melbourne team is a good thing
maybe not right now but it needs to happen soon
melbourne is such a huge market and a second team needs to be put in early or they will have no of ever setting one up

i think it will be okay
i have a bit of faith :)

ps hii and good luck for number 12

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yea timmy, I agree with you. A 2nd melbourne in the future...for sure but please not now when we will only be in season 6.

2nd melb is a less favourable propostion IMO than western sydney. because if the a-league has two sydney teams that means two times as much media exposure.

having conquered the melb market in summer time the league now has to look to sydney and this would be a good way to do it.

so i think the two teams that get in are WS and canberra.

Clearly Melbourne deserve another A-League team more than Sydney?
The Melbourne fans have shown how great they are by the amount of support they give to a team that's not supported by the whole city...I think you'll find that there's a fair chunk of Melbournians that don't like the Victory due to their outright cockiness and the fact that wanks like Muscat are on the team.
Not to take anything away from the reigning champs, but the Victory is not for everyone...and you'd be outright lieing if you said that Melbourne wasn't the home of sport in Australia.
One look at the crowd numbers of any sport would prove you wrong.

If a single Sydney team can't even get good support as only the show in town, what makes you think putting a second team there would make crowds go up?

If there's a city in Australia that can support a 2nd team, then it's hands-down Melbourne.

yeah, melbourne bring in the numbers... they do deserve it.
The problem for Sydney is the lack of a transport system..

i'm sick to death of people on other forums complaining that they live in parramatta or somewhere like that and it takes them a solid half an hour to get to sydney FC games so they don't go. what a load of rubbish. i live in belconnen and if the canberra team played in south canberra of coursee we'd all go.

and now the same people are complaining that if the WS team plays in penrith they won't go.

utter crap

I havent gone to any games at SFS so im not sure... what is the public transport like to get to SFS?

Having spent some time in some world cities i know how much better their public transport should be.. but yeah, if its half an hour then there shouldnt be complaints.. i used to catch the action buses from woden to the stadium for brumbies games so I could have some drinks.. and it took about that long.

Agree with all above.I cannot understand why they do whinge.

I think the real reason why the FFA, want a WS team is to create a derby.

I would think the Heart would still draw bigger crowds than Jets or Mariners, albeit at the expense of the Victory.

Well infact the SFS doesn't draw crowds from Western or Northern Sydney because its not convenient and its quite a hassle. The SFS is located right in the center of the city meaning its not practical to drive there and its alot of effort from Western Sydney or the North Shore to get there. A second team in sydney's west makes perfect sense and should be supported as much or even more then Sydney FC. I don't know Melbourne well although it seems both teams would be playing at the same stadium so im not sure where the Hearts will be getting their fan base from (if its not from the Victory?). Also what is he the history behind the Melbourne Heart name?

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apparently there is a lot of football fans in melbourne that don't support MV because of ethnic ties, so a melbourne rivalry would be sure to ignite racial tensions

Well that was the problem in the old NSL but will be interesting to see how this new mob will go.

bypopulardemand wrote:I havent gone to any games at SFS so im not sure... what is the public transport like to get to SFS?

Having spent some time in some world cities i know how much better their public transport should be.. but yeah, if its half an hour then there shouldnt be complaints.. i used to catch the action buses from woden to the stadium for brumbies games so I could have some drinks.. and it took about that long.

Obviously the public transport in Sydney isn't great, but it's adequate. It's not much of a walk up from Central to the SFS or you can jump on a bus. I'm always amazed at how hard Sydneysiders say it is to attend games. I drove to just about every Sydney home game for the first two seasons..... from Canberra, then have a couple of light beers at the game and drive back to Canberra. Not easy, but if you want to see live football you do it. I think you'll find that most of the people having a whinge (at least on the SFC forums) are school kids who can't get themselves orgasnised or blokes who work in the city and couldn't be arsed going back there after working all day.

A western sydney team would only screw things up even more in the football world in Sydney!!! if sydney fc have 10,000 people go each game, you would half that pretty much and have an average of 5,000 for each club. Plus, a second melbourne team would be secure but i would wait for victory to have an even greater support group than they have now. And Tasmania's a good idea because they have nothing to challenge like Rugby except for the occasinoal AFL game which brings huge crowds. BUT CANBERRA ALL THE WAY!!

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but people in sydney argue that from western sydney it's too far to go for the rubbish that sydney FC dish up.

what a stupid name
Melbourne Heart... that's worse than anything ive heard